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PHOENIX — It would be one of the boldest choices of a running mate in U.S. history, a gamble that would create an all Vietnam War-hero ticket, appeal to independent voters and perhaps help Democratic Sen. John Kerry win the White House.
But key Democrats in battleground states are divided over the wisdom of picking Republican Sen. John McCain as the vice-presidential nominee, particularly because he opposes abortion rights.

The notion of picking a Republican for the Democratic ticket has excited political circles for weeks, kept alive despite McCain's repeated statements that he's supporting President Bush and isn't interested in joining Kerry's ticket or party.

"I will not be vice president of the United States," McCain said. "I have totally ruled it out," he said another time.

Yet the idea persists, fed by Democrats who think it would create an unbeatable team and by Kerry's interest in McCain.

"There's a lot of excitement about a fusion ticket," said Gordon Fischer, the Democratic Party chairman in Iowa, one of the closely divided states where the presidential campaign will be decided.

"It would be groundbreaking, revolutionary and very interesting. I do think there is a bit of a danger in that there are some loyal Democrats who would say, 'Couldn't we find a Democrat to be vice president?' But overall, it would be an exciting, bold pick."

One benefit is that a Kerry-McCain ticket would put two decorated heroes of the Vietnam War on the same ticket at a time when the country is at war and national security is a paramount issue. Despite Bush's sagging poll numbers over the Iraq war, Republicans still hold an edge over Democrats in being perceived as guardians of the country's security.

Another is McCain's appeal to independent voters, who helped him in his brief, eventually unsuccessful challenge to Bush for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination. That would help Kerry reach out across the deep partisan divide that splits the country.

A new poll last week by CBS demonstrated McCain's appeal. Kerry leads Bush in the poll by a margin of 49 percent to 41 percent. But a Kerry-McCain ticket leads a Bush-Cheney ticket by a much larger margin of 53 percent to 39 percent. The survey showed McCain would help Kerry draw more independents, more Republicans and more veterans.

"Desperate times call for strong measures," said Fischer, referring to divisions in the country that make it difficult to build a majority. "It would be a strong signal to independents that we're in a new mode of thinking, that Senator Kerry is willing to take risks, that he is reaching out to the other party."

Jim Peterson, chairman of the Democratic Party in McCain's home state of Arizona, another battleground state, said McCain would broaden the appeal of the ticket to the political center. "That's where this election is going to be decided, by people who aren't hardened partisans," Peterson said. "That's where Senator McCain plays."

McCain's appeal to independents stems from his maverick personality, his eagerness to buck his party and his advocacy of campaign-finance reform. Yet he's a conservative who opposes abortion rights and wholeheartedly supports the war in Iraq.

"Sure, there would be a rebellion in certain segments of our party," Peterson acknowledged. That soon would give way to excitement about winning the White House, he said.

"I think the overall goal of beating President Bush in November trumps everything else," he said.

Indeed, some Democrats in key states do oppose McCain as a running mate, although they added that they would support any choice Kerry made.

Mark Brewer, executive chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party, said McCain has become "greener" on the environment and lauded his work on campaign-finance reform. However, he said, McCain opposes abortion rights and remains "essentially a conservative Republican."

"I oppose it," Brewer said. "I just don't think he's a Democrat. It would cause lot of problems among our base supporters. Having said that, if John Kerry asked us to support it, we would."

Brewer said a bipartisan approach to governing might be welcome, given the country's divisions and the urgency of war. He said McCain's role would have to be defined, most likely in national-security areas, and he would have to be walled off from social policy.

"It would have to be crystal clear the Democratic Party wouldn't change its position on choice," Brewer said.

Kathleen Sullivan, the party chairwoman in New Hampshire, another battleground state, agreed.

"Frankly, Senator McCain's position on choice concerns me," she said. "If Senator Kerry decides Senator McCain is his running mate, I would support it. But he's not my preference. There are plenty of other qualified, excellent Democrats who would be my preference."

Democratic strategist Donna Brazile, who managed Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign, said the selection of McCain would signal weakness and the inability to come up with anyone from within the party to bolster the ticket's national-security expertise.

Brazile wrote in a recent column for Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper: "I know how badly Democrats want to win this presidential election. But I hope it isn't so badly that that they toss away our party's values and principles in the process."

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A CBS News poll was released showing that a hypothetical pairing of the Democrat and Republican Sen. John McCain leads the GOP ticket of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney 53 percent to 39 percent. Although Democrats continue to discuss a possible Kerry-McCain ticket, the Arizona Republican has rejected the pairing.

A random sample of 1,113 adults was interviewed by telephone May 20-23. It has a margin of error of at least plus or minus 3 percentage points.


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How in god's name did Bush ever beat McCain in the first place? I'm hard pressed to imagine anyone NOT liking that man.
 

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XP: IMO

Low (registered) voter turnout. Had more people got off their asses and participated this whole nightmare would likely be moot.

Less than 50% of registered voters even bother. It is a sad trend that has continued to worsen in this country. Personally, one of the main reasons given (voter apathy) can really have no legitimate basis this time.

Everything is at stake this go-around.

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Re: voter registration. This I don't understand. Is the onus on the individual to go and register themselves eligible to vote? Here, representatives from Elections Canada, completely non-partisan, come to your house and ask the names of the individuals of voting age. You then get added on to the list and when you go to voting station nearest your home, you simply present photo ID and they cross your name off as having voted. Easy peasy.

At any rate, even with McCain's anti-choice position on abortion rights, I still find it very difficult to not love that man. He has a certain kind of level-headedness that most politicians are lacking. Frankly, the fact that he has thus far refused to join the Kerry ticket makes him that much more endearing. I know it kinda sucks for you (he would go a long way to calming the partisan divide) that he refuses, but loyalty to one's party is a respectable postion, IMO. You wouldn't believe the number of politicians who 'party-hop' in Canada. It's rather bizarre.
 

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Its going to be Hillary...Kerry is so feckless that even if he has to be 2nd fiddle through the campaign he will do or say anything to get elected.Kerry knowing that everytime he opens his mouth the poll numbers drop and being a self serving oppurtunist that has a track record of marrying up would be "marrying up" again..He won't mind Hillary being the face of the campaign going down the stretch..All you have to do is look at her favorable comments of the military recently.
Hillary would be in a win,win situation she gets the exposure in a loss and is only one heartbeat away from being president somthing I'm sure Bill would have no problem looking into to rectify.
If not Hillary then look for the Clinton scourge machiine to peck away at Kerry drip,drip, drip, through the summer undermining Kerry all the way to a Bush win.
How the Clintons act will determine the presidency....Mark my words.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He has a certain kind of level-headedness that most politicians are lacking. Frankly, the fact <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

X..he would appear to be that way,but what has hindered him in the past is that he can be a hot head in a sort of psycotic way (not my opinion) but has been painted that way in the past.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xpanda:
Re: voter registration. This I don't understand. Is the onus on the individual to go and register themselves eligible to vote?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I remember, you cant vote unless you're a registered member of a political party.

(Its so you can be persecuted by the State if you join the communist party, that kinda thing.)

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To vote in Sacramento County you must meet the following criteria:
You are a United States citizen
You are a resident of California
You are at least 18 years of age (or will be by the date of the next election)
You are not in prison or on parole for conviction of a felony
You have not been judged by a court to be mentally incompetent to register and vote
You will need to re-register to vote when:
You move
You change your name
You change your political party affiliation
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You cant vote unless the state knows who you vote for...

Long live freedom....
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It also helps to reduce the number of poor and illiterate who can vote, keeps the underclasses out, and lets the middle classes run the show.

[This message was edited by eek on May 31, 2004 at 12:17 PM.]
 

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That makes zero sense to me. I always thought 'registered Democrats' were just people who were voting in the nominee, not voters in general. What is the reasoning behind this? Are funding allotments affected by the number of registered voters in the party?
 

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eek...thanks again for showing why everytime you or John Kerry open their mouth his poll numbers go down.

You can register as anything you want including independent.

The reason you have to register under certain limited criteria so you don't have criminal aliens just walking in to the country to vote and leave canceling out a vote by law abiding tax paying citizen...they have rights too.
IMO the voting rules are way to liberal and not anywhere stringent enough.
 

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Patriot,
I understood the concern was regarding the fact that one must specify their political affiliation while registering, not necessarily the fact that one needs to register.

Every time your or Bush open your mouth you answer the wrong question
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Yes. Here, you simply register as 'eligible' and not remotely affiliated. If you want to be able to vote in the leaders of certain parties, you register yourself separately with them, which has nothing whatsoever to do with being able to vote in the upcoming election.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
You can register as anything you want including independent.
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And can you vote for any party you want to if you register that way?

Democrat
Communist
Republican
New age tree hugger party

Or do you 'have' to vote for an 'independent'?
 

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Unfortunately, the registration process is still far from uniform. There is at least one state where you don't have to register, N. Dakota.
Choice of Party is optional at time of registration. You do not have to register with a party to take part in a primary election, caucus, or convention.

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eek, in a National Election, you can use the "other" not listed write-in option and vote for whoever the fuk you want to. You are not bound by your party preference registration. You may vote across party lines whenever/wherever you feel the need

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Thanks cussin.

Had me worried for a minit there.
Glad I was wrong.
That Sacramento thing looks like you need to declare political affiliation before you can vote.

http://www.fec.gov/votregis/pdf/nvra.pdf

The compulsory party membership seems to be if you want to take part in the primary election caucus or convention of a particular party, and only in certain states.

You'll have to get off yer ass to register tho.
Its tied to local taxpayers/census info over here, registration is pretty much automatic.

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Yes Eek, your most recent post sums it up well.

Certain states, including my own, only allow me(for example) to vote in the Primary for whichever party I register with.

The idea is to prevent a bunch of whacko Republicans (for example) who have a leadpipe cinch incumbent from messing with our (Democrat's) primary.

Continuing the example, the Republican primary in Florida this year did not have an opponent on the ballot running against Bush. So without the law, all the Repubs then slip into the Democratic primary and vote for the least winnable Democrat candidate, thus undermining the legitimate race for Democrat nominee.

Once the primaries are complete and we reach November, yes, you can vote for whoever you wish, as Patriot said above, albeit in his rather ham-handed manner.

XPANDA, registration in the U.S. is fairly automated in the past decade. Anywhere in the U.S. that you apply, revise or otherwise deal with the Drivers License agency in your jurisdiction includes a "Would you like to register to vote?"

Many people however lose their right to vote if they change address without notifying the Election Supervisors Office (at least here in Florida). Then the citizen goes to the wrong precinct to vote (a VERY archaic system) and is turned away, albeit with directions to the correct precinct. If they can still make it before the polls close (on fukking Tuesday in the middle of the week...another built-in obstacle) they can then vote.

Finally, in 13 states, there is a ban against convicted felons voting in any election, a very irrational policy originally instituted in the 19th century to provide obstacles to black voters. But that policy is still in place today and serves the same nefarious purpose.

Bringing us to 2000 (and 2004 sadly) where the primary complaint in Florida was NOT THAT THE VOTES WERE NOT COUNTED CORRECTLY.

That was in the end, a secondary complaint.

The primary way Bush stole the election was his brother's Secretary of State Katherine Harris issued to the 67 counties a list of names which were purported to be convicted felons in Florida.

Over SEVENTY THOUSAND of the alleged convicted felons were in fact, legal, registered voters. Upwards of 80% were African-American. Thousands were turned away from voting that fateful day, though they should have been permitted to cast their ballot. When one acknowledges that just over 90% of African-Americans vote Democrat in Presidential races, we can then see how the vote was hijacked.

The recounts over the next six weeks were a dog and pony show with little mention of this aggregious theft.

The 2004 list of such supposed felons is under heavy scrutiny of course and recent report suggest it is still far from accurate, though the errors are not likely as deliberate as those handed to the counties by Bush/Harris in 2000.
 

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Bar: Ironic that the man who entered into power by keeping the vote from those with criminal records has himself been convicted of DUI. Seems to me that a party espousing 'personal responsibility' would have kept Bush out of the running altogether.

After all, hypocrisy is supposed to be bad politics, isn't it?

(Seriously, though, the law preventing former convicts from voting is beyond archaic. Whatever happened to the 'repaid their debt to society' mandate? Or are these people exempt from paying taxes and serving in the military as well?)
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Many people however lose their right to vote if they change address without notifying the Election Supervisors Office (at least here in Florida). Then the citizen goes to the wrong precinct to vote (a VERY archaic system) and is turned away, albeit with directions to the correct precinct. If they can still make it before the polls close (on fukking Tuesday in the middle of the week...another built-in obstacle) they can then vote.

Finally, in 13 states, there is a ban against convicted felons voting in any election, a very irrational policy originally instituted in the 19th century to provide obstacles to black voters. But that policy is still in place today and serves the same nefarious purpose.
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X...what this guy dosen't tell you this is to avoid voter fraud...hows that for nefarious purposes?

What he also dosen't tell you it is for incarcerated felons.

And this>>><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Over SEVENTY THOUSAND of the alleged convicted felons were in fact, legal, registered voters. Upwards of 80% were African-American. Thousands were turned away from voting that fateful day, though they should have been permitted to cast their ballot. When one acknowledges that just over 90% of African-Americans vote Democrat in Presidential races, we can then see how the vote was hijacked.
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I have never heard anywhere.
 

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...Slander

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Every time your or Bush open your mouth you answer the wrong question <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are both misunderestimated and misunderstood!!
 

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